This is huge. Stern magazine has documents that show 1) the existence of secret U.S. prisons in Europe, 2) that torture was used, and 3) that German ministers knew.
And may have at least partially succeeded in doing so.
Stephen Grey’s new book, Ghost Plane, the true story of the CIA torture program, has more on the Bushies’ torturing for democracy.
PS Cheney: “detainees” were water-boarded.
This is what the neocons are defending as ‘not torture.’
As predicted, the Democrats didn’t put up much of a fight. They are too complicit for that. This is torture we’re talking about. It should be opposed totally and completely. If the Dems really want to convince they are opposed to torture, then they should shut down Congress with filibusters and protests. They should take it to the people. Call for millions in the streets. But they aren’t, are they?
Too many progressives are sleepwalking now, waiting for the election, hoping for a Democratic takeover of one or both houses. They’ve deluded themselves into thinking that somehow a Dem victory will make everything right. Ain’t going to happen. These are the same Democrats who voted for the war, erosion of civil rights, and didn’t block torture.
The neocon and the Bush agendas are crumbling. Imperialism is gasping. It’s all gone quite wrong for them, hasn’t it? Now is the time to increase the pressure and the protests, while they are crumbling, and not wait for someone else (quite unreliable) to do it for you.
Even that band of thugs and murderers called the CIA (well, what do you think the CIA does?) is now refusing to obey Bush. Not that they’re bothered by any ethical consideration. Hey, if they were, they wouldn’t have tortured in the past, right? Their quite justifiable concern is they now may get the sorry asses tossed into prison,.
George “More torture, all the time” Bush then transferred all the prisoners away from the CIA to Gitmo where I’m sure US solidiers will have a rollicking good time torturing them in the name of freedom.
This kind of debased behavior does have a way of coming home. A formerly loving husband returns home to his wife after serving military duty which included several months of waterboarding prisoners. She disagrees with something he says so he beats her. The incidence of spousal abuse soars among soldiers returning from war zones, and will be even higher for the alleged humans who tortured prisoners at Gitmo.
Meanwhile, our equally debased Congress debates what kind of torture we should allow, rather than saying the whole subject is abhorrent and torture should never be used period. Then they can’t understand why the rest of the planet sees the US as massively hypocritical. The response from the “loyal opposition”, the Democrats, on opposing torture continues to be more crickets.
We need to protest, make some noise, stop this insanity. Molly Ivins says get arrested if you have to, but this madness has to end. Since most of our legislators are too compromised and mentally diseased to oppose torture, then the people must force them to do so. Not by the ballot, but by people in the streets. Most of Congress initially strongly opposed civil rights. Then millions marched in favor of civil rights – and Congress was forced to act. That’s how you bring real change.
History will not be kind to those who debated how much torture is permissible, and will be even less kind to those who did nothing.
“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”
— Dante Alighieri
Britain’s Attorney-General said the US trying to ignore the Geneva Conventions “risked international condemnation.”
Now, even ranking members of the British government can no longer stomach Dubya – except for the poodle, who continues to yelp excitedly whenever his master calls for more torture.
But then, the poodle won’t be in office much longer anyway.