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		<title>By: Yehuda Beinin</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/09/26/us-refuses-to-support-israel-attack-on-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-157718</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehuda Beinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, 
You wrote:
Put another way, the key factor is what Israel has not done in the region, especially when understanding the objective which lies at the heart of the Zionist project as being the creation of an ethnically pure Jewish state encompassing the whole of historic Palestine stretching into present day southern Lebanon.

All of your (basically correct) analysis falls on the above statement. It is, patently untrue.

In that statement you reveal an insurmountable bias which de-legitimizes your case, and the left case in general. This is because it goes beyond the pale of normal political discourse and enters someother realm of which i have no clue. 

The promulgation of the 1939 White Paper, at the insistence of various Arab leaders, limiting Jewish immigration to Palestine left an indelible scar on the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, and ultimately enabled the Zionist leadership to initiate (and sell) a much more forceful approach towards the indigenous Arab population. (Calling anybody in Palestine at that time a "Palestinian" is a stretch).

So yeah, it might have always been a case of a Jewish Goliath against David from the point of military material - if you don't get that the Jewish psyche following WWII was deeply scarred, then you are missing a large part of the puzzle.

In this instance, your selective sensitivity is beyond me.
Yehuda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
You wrote:<br />
Put another way, the key factor is what Israel has not done in the region, especially when understanding the objective which lies at the heart of the Zionist project as being the creation of an ethnically pure Jewish state encompassing the whole of historic Palestine stretching into present day southern Lebanon.</p>
<p>All of your (basically correct) analysis falls on the above statement. It is, patently untrue.</p>
<p>In that statement you reveal an insurmountable bias which de-legitimizes your case, and the left case in general. This is because it goes beyond the pale of normal political discourse and enters someother realm of which i have no clue. </p>
<p>The promulgation of the 1939 White Paper, at the insistence of various Arab leaders, limiting Jewish immigration to Palestine left an indelible scar on the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine, and ultimately enabled the Zionist leadership to initiate (and sell) a much more forceful approach towards the indigenous Arab population. (Calling anybody in Palestine at that time a &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; is a stretch).</p>
<p>So yeah, it might have always been a case of a Jewish Goliath against David from the point of military material - if you don&#8217;t get that the Jewish psyche following WWII was deeply scarred, then you are missing a large part of the puzzle.</p>
<p>In this instance, your selective sensitivity is beyond me.<br />
Yehuda</p>
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		<title>By: cary martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>cary martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Wight'

  You are ,as you know ,are  absolutely correct in nearly all of your assumptions about the nature of our foreign policy and our relationship with Israel.I believe the time is coming when more and more Americans will see the disasterous consequences of this policy. However I do think that Mearshimer  and Walt are correct in their stated opinion that it is Israel that influences our decisions.
 Remember  also that the majority of the people in Israel want some kind of just settlement with the Palestinians, but the power and financial  means of the Zionists is , up to now , what is controlling policy in Israel.

Cary Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wight&#8217;</p>
<p>  You are ,as you know ,are  absolutely correct in nearly all of your assumptions about the nature of our foreign policy and our relationship with Israel.I believe the time is coming when more and more Americans will see the disasterous consequences of this policy. However I do think that Mearshimer  and Walt are correct in their stated opinion that it is Israel that influences our decisions.<br />
 Remember  also that the majority of the people in Israel want some kind of just settlement with the Palestinians, but the power and financial  means of the Zionists is , up to now , what is controlling policy in Israel.</p>
<p>Cary Martin</p>
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		<title>By: John Wight</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/09/26/us-refuses-to-support-israel-attack-on-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-156187</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yehuda,

Perhaps you would care to elaborate. 

Exactly what is tendentious and simplistic about the piece? Are you disputing the thrust of the analysis that with regard to Israel's relations with the US, it is the US who ultimately calls the shots? Are you disputing that such a symbiotic relationship even exists?

I'm not sure what you're driving at with your comment.

And re justice for the Palestinians, in what way does the article militate against the Palestinian cause for self determination and human rights? 

Do you support that cause?

Again, it would be helpful if you could elaborate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yehuda,</p>
<p>Perhaps you would care to elaborate. </p>
<p>Exactly what is tendentious and simplistic about the piece? Are you disputing the thrust of the analysis that with regard to Israel&#8217;s relations with the US, it is the US who ultimately calls the shots? Are you disputing that such a symbiotic relationship even exists?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re driving at with your comment.</p>
<p>And re justice for the Palestinians, in what way does the article militate against the Palestinian cause for self determination and human rights? </p>
<p>Do you support that cause?</p>
<p>Again, it would be helpful if you could elaborate.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehuda Beinin</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/09/26/us-refuses-to-support-israel-attack-on-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-156180</link>
		<dc:creator>Yehuda Beinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a simplistic, tendonitious and scholarly deficient piece of journalism. There is, it seems, some point here, but justice for the Palestinians is not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a simplistic, tendonitious and scholarly deficient piece of journalism. There is, it seems, some point here, but justice for the Palestinians is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Bird</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/09/26/us-refuses-to-support-israel-attack-on-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-156155</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No "leash" No "Mafish" (= nothing, I don't have - in Arabic)

Al-Guardian report is not accurate. The US Israel relations are quite close and warm but the US can't stop Israel from acting according to hers own national interests as Israel can't otherwise. With all respect Israel is a free country and have the last say regae=rding her's own interests. Let's hypnotize that the Iranian are soon to accomplish the first nuke bombs and Israel see it as vital to attack and destroy all nuke infrastructure in advance. No US veto can hold the Israeli attack and I don't believe that the US will veto at all.

As for now it's too early for an attack. I think that both countries see eye to eye the anti Iranian nuke strategy. We are not yet in front of the dead line and when the time comes the US or Israel will do the task, well re-informing and helping each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8220;leash&#8221; No &#8220;Mafish&#8221; (= nothing, I don&#8217;t have - in Arabic)</p>
<p>Al-Guardian report is not accurate. The US Israel relations are quite close and warm but the US can&#8217;t stop Israel from acting according to hers own national interests as Israel can&#8217;t otherwise. With all respect Israel is a free country and have the last say regae=rding her&#8217;s own interests. Let&#8217;s hypnotize that the Iranian are soon to accomplish the first nuke bombs and Israel see it as vital to attack and destroy all nuke infrastructure in advance. No US veto can hold the Israeli attack and I don&#8217;t believe that the US will veto at all.</p>
<p>As for now it&#8217;s too early for an attack. I think that both countries see eye to eye the anti Iranian nuke strategy. We are not yet in front of the dead line and when the time comes the US or Israel will do the task, well re-informing and helping each other.</p>
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