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	<title>Comments on: Hydrogen powered trains</title>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/08/21/hydrogen-powered-trains/comment-page-1/#comment-154967</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A comment on hydrail (onboard railway electrification via fuel cells) versus track electrification:

Track electrification has served society well for about 120 years and where it exists, it will continue to contribute for many years more.  But the cost of adding electrification to a rail line is two to four and a half million US dollars per mile of track.  Hydrail electrifies the rolling stock without this expense.  You don't have to be a plant extensions engineer to see how this will play out. What needs a lot of thought is how best to manage the daunting transition.  

A comparison is in Stanley Kubrick's movie classic, "2001" when the haywire computer has trapped astronaut Dave in the pod without his space helmet. He must blow the hatch and survive a few torturous seconds of the vacuum of space to regain the mother ship and resume an odyssey to a better future.

We are secure in a "pod" of track electrification but can't stay indefinitely.  There is a daunting hydrail "vacuum" until the new technology hits the market. Minimizing the duration of the vacuum is probably the least unpleasant option open at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comment on hydrail (onboard railway electrification via fuel cells) versus track electrification:</p>
<p>Track electrification has served society well for about 120 years and where it exists, it will continue to contribute for many years more.  But the cost of adding electrification to a rail line is two to four and a half million US dollars per mile of track.  Hydrail electrifies the rolling stock without this expense.  You don&#8217;t have to be a plant extensions engineer to see how this will play out. What needs a lot of thought is how best to manage the daunting transition.  </p>
<p>A comparison is in Stanley Kubrick&#8217;s movie classic, &#8220;2001&#8243; when the haywire computer has trapped astronaut Dave in the pod without his space helmet. He must blow the hatch and survive a few torturous seconds of the vacuum of space to regain the mother ship and resume an odyssey to a better future.</p>
<p>We are secure in a &#8220;pod&#8221; of track electrification but can&#8217;t stay indefinitely.  There is a daunting hydrail &#8220;vacuum&#8221; until the new technology hits the market. Minimizing the duration of the vacuum is probably the least unpleasant option open at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/08/21/hydrogen-powered-trains/comment-page-1/#comment-154833</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just choosing rail over other forms of transportation drastically reduces fossil fuel use and CO2 emissions, even when it is diesel-powered!  Consider: .02 lbs.CO2/ton-mile for rail compares with .11 for a 40-ton truck, .16 for a 16-ton truck, .24 for a 20-mpg automobile, 1.6 for intercontinental air freight, and a whopping 2.8 for regional air freight (that's 140 times the emissions of shipping by rail).  Ocean frieght actually beats rail, but not by much, at .015.

I think H2 rail would be great-- but ANY rail is better than either trucking or air freight.  But I wonder if diesel and electric rail can't compete favorably with trucking, how will H2 rail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just choosing rail over other forms of transportation drastically reduces fossil fuel use and CO2 emissions, even when it is diesel-powered!  Consider: .02 lbs.CO2/ton-mile for rail compares with .11 for a 40-ton truck, .16 for a 16-ton truck, .24 for a 20-mpg automobile, 1.6 for intercontinental air freight, and a whopping 2.8 for regional air freight (that&#8217;s 140 times the emissions of shipping by rail).  Ocean frieght actually beats rail, but not by much, at .015.</p>
<p>I think H2 rail would be great&#8211; but ANY rail is better than either trucking or air freight.  But I wonder if diesel and electric rail can&#8217;t compete favorably with trucking, how will H2 rail?</p>
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