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	<title>Comments on: WRL releases special report assessing the antiwar movement</title>
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	<description>Musings on politics: anti-war, global warming, peak oil and otherwise</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153590</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  Mass action is at best a supplement to the real work of creating consensus on both (or in this case, all) sides.  Sometimes mass action has no place at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  Mass action is at best a supplement to the real work of creating consensus on both (or in this case, all) sides.  Sometimes mass action has no place at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153561</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, quite a few activists have been to Iraq. Amy Goodman, some of the main people in ANSWER and UFP, Code Pink sponsors trips there, etc.

One problem is mass action tactics are tired and governments and media know how to route around and counter them.

Also, mass protests on one hand attack the mass media for being compliant to the government but on the other want maximum coverage to get their message out. Seems a bit self-defeating to expect mass media to give good coverage after calling them lackey stooges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, quite a few activists have been to Iraq. Amy Goodman, some of the main people in ANSWER and UFP, Code Pink sponsors trips there, etc.</p>
<p>One problem is mass action tactics are tired and governments and media know how to route around and counter them.</p>
<p>Also, mass protests on one hand attack the mass media for being compliant to the government but on the other want maximum coverage to get their message out. Seems a bit self-defeating to expect mass media to give good coverage after calling them lackey stooges.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153560</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem is that the war movement is stuck in the 1960s, when the conflict was virtually internal.  The Iraq War (and Afghanistan like it) is far more complex-- it requires more than just demanding the troops come home, it requires real analysis and problem-solving.  But few of the [visible] anti-war people seem to acknowledge that.  

Let's take a simple example: how many anti-war activists have actually gone to Iraq?  As far as I know, only the Christian Peacemakers have done that kind of work.  That's a handful of people out on the fringes of a movement that claims millions of people-- and they were largely ignored (even though at least one paid the ultimate price).

If you want to end the war, someone's going to have to think outside the (1960s) box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem is that the war movement is stuck in the 1960s, when the conflict was virtually internal.  The Iraq War (and Afghanistan like it) is far more complex&#8211; it requires more than just demanding the troops come home, it requires real analysis and problem-solving.  But few of the [visible] anti-war people seem to acknowledge that.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a simple example: how many anti-war activists have actually gone to Iraq?  As far as I know, only the Christian Peacemakers have done that kind of work.  That&#8217;s a handful of people out on the fringes of a movement that claims millions of people&#8211; and they were largely ignored (even though at least one paid the ultimate price).</p>
<p>If you want to end the war, someone&#8217;s going to have to think outside the (1960s) box.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh SN</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153530</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I quit my high paying job the day the war started, and didn't work again for a couple years. Eventually I both ran out of saved money (one year) and friends willing to loan me money (another year plus) and had to go back to work.

War striking never became particularly faddish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I quit my high paying job the day the war started, and didn&#8217;t work again for a couple years. Eventually I both ran out of saved money (one year) and friends willing to loan me money (another year plus) and had to go back to work.</p>
<p>War striking never became particularly faddish.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh SN</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153529</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't help but point out that the corporate media has a big part in this. Some reports say they presented many hundreds of pro-war voices before hostilities began, and a half dozen anti-war voices.

So what did they do after it turned sour? Did they give the anti-war voices their time in the sun? Of course not. Profits would be hurt if they were to point out how abysmally bad they did at their jobs before. Profit is their first consideration. Chomsky always says they are legally bound to maximize profit, but I don't know exactly where he gets that.

For example, "So they are required legally to maximize power and profit no matter what[.]" from &lt;a&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but point out that the corporate media has a big part in this. Some reports say they presented many hundreds of pro-war voices before hostilities began, and a half dozen anti-war voices.</p>
<p>So what did they do after it turned sour? Did they give the anti-war voices their time in the sun? Of course not. Profits would be hurt if they were to point out how abysmally bad they did at their jobs before. Profit is their first consideration. Chomsky always says they are legally bound to maximize profit, but I don&#8217;t know exactly where he gets that.</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;So they are required legally to maximize power and profit no matter what[.]&#8221; from <a>this article</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153512</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they're tired of Bush, then I think they are moving to the Left!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;re tired of Bush, then I think they are moving to the Left!</p>
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		<title>By: EGrise</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/06/25/wrl-releases-special-report-assessing-the-antiwar-movement/#comment-153503</link>
		<dc:creator>EGrise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the country really moving left, or is it just Bush fatigue? I hope it's the former, but I think there's evidence in both directions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the country really moving left, or is it just Bush fatigue? I hope it&#8217;s the former, but I think there&#8217;s evidence in both directions.</p>
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