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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jack Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/02/12/indymedia-uk-goes-anti-semitic/#comment-152584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good posts, Tony. Nothing new to me, but certainly eye-opening to the average person raised on the hyper-prevaricating media to believe that only Jews - who are mostly descended from Eastern European converts - are Semites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good posts, Tony. Nothing new to me, but certainly eye-opening to the average person raised on the hyper-prevaricating media to believe that only Jews - who are mostly descended from Eastern European converts - are Semites.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Greenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Greenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err correction above.  'They had no connection with the Middle East' not Europe!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err correction above.  &#8216;They had no connection with the Middle East&#8217; not Europe!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Greenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Greenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semite refers to a language and both Arabic and Hebrew are semitic languages.  Of course strictly speaking one can therefore say that both Arabs and Jews are semites, though Jews in Europe tended to speak Yiddish not Hebrew!

However Jews were associated with being a semitic people, on the basis of the Hebrew language, not least by the anti-Semites.  And the person who coined the term 'anti-Semitism' was Wilhelm Marr, a German anti-Semite.

But really this is irrelevant, except for the pedantic.  Words acquire their own meaning and usage over time.  Anti-semitism has come to mean anti-Jewish racism.  Anti-arab racism is called just that, and though I dislike the term immensely, Islamaphobia now tends to mean anti-Muslim racism (though it is also conflated with hatred of the religion itself).

So you just have to accept that Marr got it wrong.  Jews weren't semites in Europe.  They had no  connection with Europe and Jews who prayed in Hebrew, like me and many others, never understood more than a few words of it, just like Catholics praying in Latin!

However the term has stuck and if someone is an anti-semite it means they believe in discrimination against or hate Jews.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semite refers to a language and both Arabic and Hebrew are semitic languages.  Of course strictly speaking one can therefore say that both Arabs and Jews are semites, though Jews in Europe tended to speak Yiddish not Hebrew!</p>
<p>However Jews were associated with being a semitic people, on the basis of the Hebrew language, not least by the anti-Semites.  And the person who coined the term &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217; was Wilhelm Marr, a German anti-Semite.</p>
<p>But really this is irrelevant, except for the pedantic.  Words acquire their own meaning and usage over time.  Anti-semitism has come to mean anti-Jewish racism.  Anti-arab racism is called just that, and though I dislike the term immensely, Islamaphobia now tends to mean anti-Muslim racism (though it is also conflated with hatred of the religion itself).</p>
<p>So you just have to accept that Marr got it wrong.  Jews weren&#8217;t semites in Europe.  They had no  connection with Europe and Jews who prayed in Hebrew, like me and many others, never understood more than a few words of it, just like Catholics praying in Latin!</p>
<p>However the term has stuck and if someone is an anti-semite it means they believe in discrimination against or hate Jews.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect because antisemitism originated in Europe (specifically England from whence it migrated to the mainland) where at the time the Jews were the only Semites living there.  Apart from Spain, Arabs did not reach Europe in significant numbers until much later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect because antisemitism originated in Europe (specifically England from whence it migrated to the mainland) where at the time the Jews were the only Semites living there.  Apart from Spain, Arabs did not reach Europe in significant numbers until much later.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno, but it does. Words are strange things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno, but it does. Words are strange things.</p>
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		<title>By: Ten Bears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ten Bears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linguistic Question of the Week

Two definitions from the Merriam-Webster dictionary... 
Main Entry: Semâ€¢ite 
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, esp British 'sE-"mIt 
Function: noun 
Etymology: French sÃ©mite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm 
Date: 1848 
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs  
 b : a descendant of these peoples 

Main Entry: anâ€¢ti-Semâ€¢iâ€¢tism 
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&#38;-"ti-z&#38;m, "an-"tI- 
Function: noun 
Date: 1882 
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group 

Question: If Semites include "Hebrews and Arabs," why is anti-Semitism just "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews" instead of all Semites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linguistic Question of the Week</p>
<p>Two definitions from the Merriam-Webster dictionary&#8230;<br />
Main Entry: Semâ€¢ite<br />
Pronunciation: &#8217;se-&#8221;mIt, esp British &#8217;sE-&#8221;mIt<br />
Function: noun<br />
Etymology: French sÃ©mite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm<br />
Date: 1848<br />
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs<br />
 b : a descendant of these peoples </p>
<p>Main Entry: anâ€¢ti-Semâ€¢iâ€¢tism<br />
Pronunciation: &#8220;an-ti-&#8217;se-m&amp;-&#8221;ti-z&amp;m, &#8220;an-&#8221;tI-<br />
Function: noun<br />
Date: 1882<br />
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group </p>
<p>Question: If Semites include &#8220;Hebrews and Arabs,&#8221; why is anti-Semitism just &#8220;hostility toward or discrimination against Jews&#8221; instead of all Semites?</p>
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