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	<title>Comments on: The hippies were right</title>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147364</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I never nmet them, then.  The ones I knew believed they could do what they wanted without answering to society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I never nmet them, then.  The ones I knew believed they could do what they wanted without answering to society.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147256</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. When you choose to live outside the system, you know more than most that your actions have consequences. Because you live with those consequences every day. Hippies knew that well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. When you choose to live outside the system, you know more than most that your actions have consequences. Because you live with those consequences every day. Hippies knew that well.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147232</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hippies who organized mass demonstrations or toured constantly were not the majority.  There are people who got very creative on marijuana, LSD, and heroin, too-- but most of us sat on the couch and plotted to save the world.

However, when I refer to throwing off the yoke of discipline, I mean something different: the idea that freedom means you can do anything or say anything without consequences-- the idea that responsibility is for squares.  There can be no freedom without responsibility, and in that sense, the 1960s version of freedom is one of the most corrosive ideas our culture has yet encountered-- and the neocons have perhaps embraced it most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hippies who organized mass demonstrations or toured constantly were not the majority.  There are people who got very creative on marijuana, LSD, and heroin, too&#8211; but most of us sat on the couch and plotted to save the world.</p>
<p>However, when I refer to throwing off the yoke of discipline, I mean something different: the idea that freedom means you can do anything or say anything without consequences&#8211; the idea that responsibility is for squares.  There can be no freedom without responsibility, and in that sense, the 1960s version of freedom is one of the most corrosive ideas our culture has yet encountered&#8211; and the neocons have perhaps embraced it most.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147229</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How were hippies undisciplined? Because they didn't want to work boring day jobs and instead organized mass demonstrations, started bands that practiced and toured constantly, moved to the country and began organic gardening - all of which takes huge work and discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How were hippies undisciplined? Because they didn&#8217;t want to work boring day jobs and instead organized mass demonstrations, started bands that practiced and toured constantly, moved to the country and began organic gardening - all of which takes huge work and discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147196</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought it was just about sex, drugs, and rock&#38;roll (that was the 70s-- my era).  But it was about throwing off the yoke of discipline; the only problem is, not all discipline is bad.  It was about personal empowerment-- forgetting that the individual functions within the framework of a community.  

When I see evangelicals reviling community values because it's all about the family (read: MY family not yours), I see an extension of the values of the 60s.  I see elected leaders racking up debt like there's no tomorrow, devoid of any sense of responsibility-- and calling it conservativism!  I see individualism raised to a level that precludes caring about other people.  These values didn't originate in the 60s, any more than the idea of peace or the use of drugs did.  But it was the 60s that brought them to the fore.  (Hell, the 60s made possible the selfish 70s and the greedy 80s.)

And yes, your generation DID end the war in Vietnam, and that's a feat worthy of recognition.  But the war ABOUT Vietnam continues to be fought here at home.  Andrew Sullivan makes a cogent argument that it's time for that generation of leaders (and that fight) to step out of the spotlight and give someone else a shot.

I'll never claim nothing good came of the 60s-- much did.  But I also believe that many of today's problems originate in cultural changes that began 40-odd years ago.  Like so many other influences, hippyism brought both good and bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought it was just about sex, drugs, and rock&amp;roll (that was the 70s&#8211; my era).  But it was about throwing off the yoke of discipline; the only problem is, not all discipline is bad.  It was about personal empowerment&#8211; forgetting that the individual functions within the framework of a community.  </p>
<p>When I see evangelicals reviling community values because it&#8217;s all about the family (read: MY family not yours), I see an extension of the values of the 60s.  I see elected leaders racking up debt like there&#8217;s no tomorrow, devoid of any sense of responsibility&#8211; and calling it conservativism!  I see individualism raised to a level that precludes caring about other people.  These values didn&#8217;t originate in the 60s, any more than the idea of peace or the use of drugs did.  But it was the 60s that brought them to the fore.  (Hell, the 60s made possible the selfish 70s and the greedy 80s.)</p>
<p>And yes, your generation DID end the war in Vietnam, and that&#8217;s a feat worthy of recognition.  But the war ABOUT Vietnam continues to be fought here at home.  Andrew Sullivan makes a cogent argument that it&#8217;s time for that generation of leaders (and that fight) to step out of the spotlight and give someone else a shot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll never claim nothing good came of the 60s&#8211; much did.  But I also believe that many of today&#8217;s problems originate in cultural changes that began 40-odd years ago.  Like so many other influences, hippyism brought both good and bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ten Bears</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147192</link>
		<dc:creator>Ten Bears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand...

â€¦ why the good doctor (Thompson) did, if he indeed, what he did.

We dropped the ball, my generation didâ€¦ we stopped The War!

Our War.

Viet Nam.

But we didnâ€™t stop War.

We forced Nixon to accountability. Whoopee! Nixon quit, The War is Over! Letâ€™s finish our law degrees, cut our hair, and buy beemers and half-million dollar houses on the high desert!

We stopped The War. Our War. Viet Nam. But we didnâ€™t stop War. We finished our law degrees and bought overpriced McMansions, and left the machinations* in place, notably Bush/Carlyle, Cheney/Haliburton and Rumsfield/etal, that led to the Authoritarian State - Fascist State - we are about to, if not have, become.

We dropped the ball.

I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; a dirty fucking hippie, and a biker, logger 'nam vet, and no, DJ, it wasn't just about sex, drugs and rock&#38;roll.

* "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand&#8230;</p>
<p>â€¦ why the good doctor (Thompson) did, if he indeed, what he did.</p>
<p>We dropped the ball, my generation didâ€¦ we stopped The War!</p>
<p>Our War.</p>
<p>Viet Nam.</p>
<p>But we didnâ€™t stop War.</p>
<p>We forced Nixon to accountability. Whoopee! Nixon quit, The War is Over! Letâ€™s finish our law degrees, cut our hair, and buy beemers and half-million dollar houses on the high desert!</p>
<p>We stopped The War. Our War. Viet Nam. But we didnâ€™t stop War. We finished our law degrees and bought overpriced McMansions, and left the machinations* in place, notably Bush/Carlyle, Cheney/Haliburton and Rumsfield/etal, that led to the Authoritarian State - Fascist State - we are about to, if not have, become.</p>
<p>We dropped the ball.</p>
<p>I <i>am</i> a dirty fucking hippie, and a biker, logger &#8216;nam vet, and no, DJ, it wasn&#8217;t just about sex, drugs and rock&amp;roll.</p>
<p>* &#8220;In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.&#8221; - Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2008/01/06/the-hippies-were-right/#comment-147190</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hippies were right about some things, not about others.  Few today would support "free love" or drugs for all.  Hippyism also embodied a form of self-centeredness that, though I am subject to it by virtue of my 1970s adolescence, I see as destructive to the fabric of society-- and which now permeates both "Left" and "Right" wings of the political spectrum.  Elimination of discipline from family and society remains controversial, but is one of the reasons our society appears to be crumbling.  (How else does rampant greed become unbridled and the wellbeing of others become so irrelevant?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hippies were right about some things, not about others.  Few today would support &#8220;free love&#8221; or drugs for all.  Hippyism also embodied a form of self-centeredness that, though I am subject to it by virtue of my 1970s adolescence, I see as destructive to the fabric of society&#8211; and which now permeates both &#8220;Left&#8221; and &#8220;Right&#8221; wings of the political spectrum.  Elimination of discipline from family and society remains controversial, but is one of the reasons our society appears to be crumbling.  (How else does rampant greed become unbridled and the wellbeing of others become so irrelevant?)</p>
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