Comments on: TEOTWAWKI http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/ Musings on politics: anti-war, global warming, peak oil and otherwise Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:35:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: DJ http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146808 DJ Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:32:55 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146808 It depends on how badly TSHTF. A complete societal collapse would indeed make cities unpleasant. And in the country, one might want to stockpile a couple of assault rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo (not that I've done that personally, of course). But in a moderate (not extreme) scenario, cities (especially warm ones) have advantages: population density and the economics of scale make them potentially much more efficient, easier to feed and maintain an economic life-- as long as food and water keep flowing. I'm not advocating city life. In fact, we've invited some of our city friends to make their way to our place should TSHTF. It wouldn't be an easy life, but we'd survive. It depends on how badly TSHTF. A complete societal collapse would indeed make cities unpleasant. And in the country, one might want to stockpile a couple of assault rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo (not that I’ve done that personally, of course).

But in a moderate (not extreme) scenario, cities (especially warm ones) have advantages: population density and the economics of scale make them potentially much more efficient, easier to feed and maintain an economic life– as long as food and water keep flowing.

I’m not advocating city life. In fact, we’ve invited some of our city friends to make their way to our place should TSHTF. It wouldn’t be an easy life, but we’d survive.

]]> By: Glenn http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146777 Glenn Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:59:00 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146777 Migrating to cities is most certainly not the answer. Overpopulation, starvation, strain on water/ sewer systems, lack of heat, electricity will cause people to migrate waway from cities and seek out farmable land to grow food, raise live stock and fuel (ie: wood). The problem is there is no free land available in the states barring cheap 9almost free) desert land in NM NV and AZ. Unusable for crops or livestock! So the answer...preparation. Purchase farmable acreage somewhere. Learn to shoot and invest in a few rifles and handguns. (your friendly neighbors may not be so friendly for long) and make your plan to leave the cities long before TSHTF and TEOTWAWKI. Migrating to cities is most certainly not the answer. Overpopulation, starvation, strain on water/ sewer systems, lack of heat, electricity will cause people to migrate waway from cities and seek out farmable land to grow food, raise live stock and fuel (ie: wood). The problem is there is no free land available in the states barring cheap 9almost free) desert land in NM NV and AZ. Unusable for crops or livestock! So the answer…preparation. Purchase farmable acreage somewhere. Learn to shoot and invest in a few rifles and handguns. (your friendly neighbors may not be so friendly for long) and make your plan to leave the cities long before TSHTF and TEOTWAWKI.

]]> By: DJ http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146436 DJ Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:19:21 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146436 I doubt the internet will shut down, but we may well need to revert to more primitive technologies in other areas. As others have suggested, I think the suburbs will have to migrate, either to small towns where they can be self-sustaining, or to cities where population density makes transportation of goods and people more efficient. My wife and I have looked at some length at how self-sufficient we could be. We'd survive, but it wouldn't be easy. The one thing we can't grow enough of here is grain. But ultimately, for us as for many in the southwest, it's all about the water. I just hope our groundwater stays accessible. I doubt the internet will shut down, but we may well need to revert to more primitive technologies in other areas. As others have suggested, I think the suburbs will have to migrate, either to small towns where they can be self-sustaining, or to cities where population density makes transportation of goods and people more efficient.

My wife and I have looked at some length at how self-sufficient we could be. We’d survive, but it wouldn’t be easy. The one thing we can’t grow enough of here is grain. But ultimately, for us as for many in the southwest, it’s all about the water. I just hope our groundwater stays accessible.

]]> By: Ten Bears http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146425 Ten Bears Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:37:15 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2007/12/15/teotwawki/#comment-146425 Sure glad m' g'da taught me to hunt, fish and raise a garden - taught me to shoot when I was eight, gave me a pony when I was ten, put me on a cattle-ranch at fifteen, and lied about my age when I enlisted in the Army thirty-six years ago. Funny how recently released revised projections <a href="http://homelessonthehighdesert.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/climate-meltdown-isnt-happening-20/" rel="nofollow">the Arctic Ocean</a> could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012 coincided with the Mayan and Aztec tradition that the world will end in fire... in 2012 Sure glad m’ g’da taught me to hunt, fish and raise a garden - taught me to shoot when I was eight, gave me a pony when I was ten, put me on a cattle-ranch at fifteen, and lied about my age when I enlisted in the Army thirty-six years ago.

Funny how recently released revised projections the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012 coincided with the Mayan and Aztec tradition that the world will end in fire… in 2012

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