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	<title>Comments on: Chavez learns, be careful what you ask for</title>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/12/03/chavez-learns-be-careful-what-you-ask-for/comment-page-1/#comment-146065</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Surely the Venezuelan people deserve better than theyâ€™ve gotten for the past 30 years."

There's a lot of that going around-- including much closer to home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Surely the Venezuelan people deserve better than theyâ€™ve gotten for the past 30 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of that going around&#8211; including much closer to home.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Hartley</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/12/03/chavez-learns-be-careful-what-you-ask-for/comment-page-1/#comment-146060</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Hartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chavez has been in power since 1999. He has been running the country without checks and balanced for the last 18 months. Result? Inflation is no longer at 16%; it's at 24%. Same old, same old.

Excellent op-ed piece in the LA TImes on Sunday from a former Latin American reporter opining (accurately, in my opinion) that Chavez is more mouth than menace. Just another small man trying to make big. Not that the opposition forces will be able to do squat, given their own disorganization and corruption. Surely the Venezuelan people deserve better than they've gotten for the past 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chavez has been in power since 1999. He has been running the country without checks and balanced for the last 18 months. Result? Inflation is no longer at 16%; it&#8217;s at 24%. Same old, same old.</p>
<p>Excellent op-ed piece in the LA TImes on Sunday from a former Latin American reporter opining (accurately, in my opinion) that Chavez is more mouth than menace. Just another small man trying to make big. Not that the opposition forces will be able to do squat, given their own disorganization and corruption. Surely the Venezuelan people deserve better than they&#8217;ve gotten for the past 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/12/03/chavez-learns-be-careful-what-you-ask-for/comment-page-1/#comment-146053</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or just plain lack of interest.  Here in the U.S. it takes a lot of excitement (and/or a huge issue) for a majority to get out and vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or just plain lack of interest.  Here in the U.S. it takes a lot of excitement (and/or a huge issue) for a majority to get out and vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So even though Chavez said the vote was about him, it wasn't? 

Something like 2.8 million who previously voted for Chavez stayed home and didn't vote this time. This indicates a huge drop in support and probably a demoralized base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So even though Chavez said the vote was about him, it wasn&#8217;t? </p>
<p>Something like 2.8 million who previously voted for Chavez stayed home and didn&#8217;t vote this time. This indicates a huge drop in support and probably a demoralized base.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Stephens</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/12/03/chavez-learns-be-careful-what-you-ask-for/comment-page-1/#comment-146044</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, no. Chavez won re-election last December by 20%. He lost Sundayâ€™s election by 1.5%. Thus, his support has dropped drastically, no matter what kind of happy face his supporters might wish to put on it.&lt;/i&gt;

Your conclusion is invalid. Regardless of what Chavez said, a vote for the referendum was a vote for the referendum, &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a vote for Chavez. These were two very different votes - one a Presidential election, the other a vote on a very complex series of constitutional changes. It is perfectly possible for a Venezuelan to very much support the direction that Venezuela is heading  in, and to support Chavez as the leader of that process (and indeed, that poll I  posted here the other day suggested as much), without agreeing with (or even  understanding) the complex set of changes that were proposed. And it is quite  understandable that such a person, while not willing to vote "no" (knowing that  that would be seen as a vote against Chavez and a boost to the opposition),  still wouldn't be willing to vote "yes." This is consistent with the fact that the "no" vote, which &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; predominantly an "anti-Chavez" (as well as an anti-referendum) vote, was almost precisely equal to the anti-Chavez vote in the last Presidential election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, no. Chavez won re-election last December by 20%. He lost Sundayâ€™s election by 1.5%. Thus, his support has dropped drastically, no matter what kind of happy face his supporters might wish to put on it.</i></p>
<p>Your conclusion is invalid. Regardless of what Chavez said, a vote for the referendum was a vote for the referendum, <i>not</i> a vote for Chavez. These were two very different votes - one a Presidential election, the other a vote on a very complex series of constitutional changes. It is perfectly possible for a Venezuelan to very much support the direction that Venezuela is heading  in, and to support Chavez as the leader of that process (and indeed, that poll I  posted here the other day suggested as much), without agreeing with (or even  understanding) the complex set of changes that were proposed. And it is quite  understandable that such a person, while not willing to vote &#8220;no&#8221; (knowing that  that would be seen as a vote against Chavez and a boost to the opposition),  still wouldn&#8217;t be willing to vote &#8220;yes.&#8221; This is consistent with the fact that the &#8220;no&#8221; vote, which <i>was</i> predominantly an &#8220;anti-Chavez&#8221; (as well as an anti-referendum) vote, was almost precisely equal to the anti-Chavez vote in the last Presidential election.</p>
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