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	<title>Comments on: Revolution in Jesusland</title>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's just hope the Jesusland crowd stays on their turf and the progressives stay on theirs.  If they come together, the Jesusland folks will do to the progressive community what it has already done to the GOP.   Two groups working for social justice and change is cool, but keep it two groups, not one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just hope the Jesusland crowd stays on their turf and the progressives stay on theirs.  If they come together, the Jesusland folks will do to the progressive community what it has already done to the GOP.   Two groups working for social justice and change is cool, but keep it two groups, not one.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/10/07/revolution-in-jesusland/#comment-144078</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The revolution you describe is not new to Christianity.  See for example Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker organization.  It's not even new to evangelicals-- but it has been (and remains so far) a minority position.

However, I believe that what Chris Seay means, when he asks "So what do you do with that?" is not "how do we get the help to those who need it," but "how can we sleep at night knowing that the $17 we spent on a hotdog and drink could have saved lives if we'd given it away instead."

The Gospels are indeed a set of revolutionary documents, but it's easy to miss that, especially considering the way we were TAUGHT to read them.  Read them again-- and if you still don't see it, read John Howard Yoder's "&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Jesus-John-Howard-Yoder/dp/0802807348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2019325-9012418?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1191775412&#38;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"&gt;Politics of Jesus&lt;/a&gt;."

Let's be clear: there are untenable economic ramifications here.  Jesus did not offer an economic system, he called on us to continually examine our behavior in light of a moral code.  The Kingdom he speaks of is NOT a government, but a group of like-minded people who are willing to sacrifice (as Jesus did) for others.  At best, Jesus's teachings apply to an intentional community-- never to a State.

Jesus was not a Marxist; he never taught economic equality, nor did he teach compulsion.  Rather, he taught that money will not make you happy-- that giving to the poor is not a governmental act but a personal sacrifice.  Some (including myself) believe he promoted voluntary poverty.  

The early community was not Marxist either: Acts says, "Those who had little did not have too little, and those who had much did not have too much."  But above all, helping others was (and remains) a choice-- one we face on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The revolution you describe is not new to Christianity.  See for example Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker organization.  It&#8217;s not even new to evangelicals&#8211; but it has been (and remains so far) a minority position.</p>
<p>However, I believe that what Chris Seay means, when he asks &#8220;So what do you do with that?&#8221; is not &#8220;how do we get the help to those who need it,&#8221; but &#8220;how can we sleep at night knowing that the $17 we spent on a hotdog and drink could have saved lives if we&#8217;d given it away instead.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Gospels are indeed a set of revolutionary documents, but it&#8217;s easy to miss that, especially considering the way we were TAUGHT to read them.  Read them again&#8211; and if you still don&#8217;t see it, read John Howard Yoder&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Politics-Jesus-John-Howard-Yoder/dp/0802807348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2019325-9012418?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1191775412&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Politics of Jesus</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear: there are untenable economic ramifications here.  Jesus did not offer an economic system, he called on us to continually examine our behavior in light of a moral code.  The Kingdom he speaks of is NOT a government, but a group of like-minded people who are willing to sacrifice (as Jesus did) for others.  At best, Jesus&#8217;s teachings apply to an intentional community&#8211; never to a State.</p>
<p>Jesus was not a Marxist; he never taught economic equality, nor did he teach compulsion.  Rather, he taught that money will not make you happy&#8211; that giving to the poor is not a governmental act but a personal sacrifice.  Some (including myself) believe he promoted voluntary poverty.  </p>
<p>The early community was not Marxist either: Acts says, &#8220;Those who had little did not have too little, and those who had much did not have too much.&#8221;  But above all, helping others was (and remains) a choice&#8211; one we face on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: John Couzin</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/10/07/revolution-in-jesusland/#comment-144054</link>
		<dc:creator>John Couzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps they are beginning to come round to the view that some people hold, that Jesus was the first socialist. Though a further look at history would tell them that Jesus was a Cynic from the school of Anthisthenes and Diogenes from around 200BC, who some people label as the first anarchists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps they are beginning to come round to the view that some people hold, that Jesus was the first socialist. Though a further look at history would tell them that Jesus was a Cynic from the school of Anthisthenes and Diogenes from around 200BC, who some people label as the first anarchists.</p>
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