When it comes to taxes, only the lazy and complacent want the government spending it for them. “taking care of us” as the socialists put it.

-Dan

Sure, those on the political edges see the changes first and are often reacting to the same things. But their solutions often tend to be, ah, radically different.

I see what passes for conservatism today in the U.S. (i.e. neo-cons) and they look to me just like centrist liberals serving the corporate world. The fundamental conservative values I grew up with are nonexistent– just as I’m sure many Europeans (and even many Americans) look at the American Left and shrug their shoulders.

What it boils down to is, we have two wings of Centrist politics, each claiming to serve either labor or business, but both really serving themselves at a huge, taxpayer-funded buffet. And any candidate that doesn’t fit the mold is edged out by the party faithful.

The true irony is that traditional American conservatives like me and would-be radicals like Bob have much more in common than most people want to admit– and far more in common with each other than with the ruling junta.

Before my own political awakening I thought I was pretty far to the left since I subscribed to magazines like Mother Jones or Utne Reader, The Nation etc. and I had a friend from Sweden who was visiting here at the time and I let her read some of these magazines to see what she thought of them, and she said that she thought that they were pretty conservative.

And I tried to get her to explain what she meant, and she said that what passes here for left in most cases is considered pretty conservative in Sweden. And this may be because real revolutionary socialist and communist views are more common and more widely read about in Sweden than here in the US.

She said that she had read books by various Marxist thinkers in Sweden, France, Geramny, and elsewhere in Europe, and she mentioned their names and of course she thought that I would have jeard of them, since I was a greatly liberated and open minded college student at the time.

But of course I had to tell her I never heard of them, and she was very surprised by that. At the time I had not even read Marx, Engles, Gueverra, and other more commonly known marxists, so it was hard for me to really understand what she meant by calling these so-called left publications very conservative by Swedish standards.

Here in the US even at the University level of education we get very little exposure to real alternative philosophies, and the only time I read any Marx in college was only because we had to critically analyze some of his writings, and not really look at them as a real analysis of capitalism.

There is somewhat of an explanation about why this takes place By Prof. Mel Leiman

Is Marxism Relevant in the 21st Century?

Play Version

http://www.radio4all.net/play.php/playlist-Teaching%20Radical%20Alternatives-Teaching%20Radical%20Alternatives:%20Is%20Marxism%20Relevant%20in%20the%2021st%20Century-.pls?version_id=19735&

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http://www.radio4all.net/pub/archive2/07.01.07/jg0@nilbs.com/1985-1-20060303-Mel_Leiman__Is_Marx_Relevant_20060224.mp3

More programs by Mel Leiman and Others

http://altbuzz.org/mp3s/

Well any way in the course of those years I began to expand my readings to include Marx, and others, so I could educate myself, and now I cannot really read any of this so-called left leaning literature without seeing through it from a Marxist perspective.

Today I really understand what my friend from Sweden meant when she called this so called left leaning literature pretty conservative.

Judging from your myspace site you’re anything but. So, it appears you’ve been misrepresenting yourself.

All of which is standard procedure for right wing trolls.

During the historic immigrant rights marches last year, Polizeros got hundreds of vile racist comments, but you never saw them because them went to the moderation queue first, where I deleted them.

They’re just trolls.

I visit your website often, and it has a lot of very good information, but these reactionary right wing postings and comments in support of Ron Paul reveal that a lot of right wing wacko’s also visit your website as well.

I know someone who is a follower of Ron Paul, and although personally he is a really nice guy, his politics are really screwed-up.

I believe the subliminal indoctrination and socialization process which takes place in a capitalist society and is present within all it’s insitutions, which includes it’s systems of education, as well as the media, etc… creates the fertile ground for such convoluted and contradictory ideologies to take root and flourish…

Professor Doug Dowd has a good analysis of this in his many articles and books, as well as some audio archives

Analysis of capitalism in relation to the present day

http://www.dougdowd.org/2006/class20060509/class20060509.mp3

At The Cliffs Edge
http://www.dougdowd.org/NewFiles/at_the_cliffs_edge/index.htm

Capitalism: The Most Important of the Big Four.

http://www.dougdowd.org/NewFiles/at_the_cliffs_edge/chapter_3.pdf

Doug Dowds website

http://www.dougdowd.org/

I notice you haven’t refuted anything I said about him. No doubt because you can’t.

You aren’t much of a troll (nor I suspect have you ever been liberal). But nice try.

But where would we find candidates that we could hold to such a standard? Ain’t none of the current pack qualified.

“Paul is the only candidate who explicitly says he won’t attack Iran, can you say the same of Hillary or Obama.”

I hope there are more choices than those three, because otherwise I’m moving to Myanmar! Much as I hate to vote Republican for President, if Hillary gets the Dem nod, I won’t have much choice.