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	<title>Comments on: ANSWER organizer assaulted by Minuteman member</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/05/03/answer-organizer-assaulted-by-minutemen-member/comment-page-1/#comment-134664</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 04:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I lived in the country like you, I'd no doubt have a rifle or two. But here in the fringes of the burbs, if I shot at a rabbit with a rifle, there's still enough houses nearby to make insuring a safe shot not a safe proposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I lived in the country like you, I&#8217;d no doubt have a rifle or two. But here in the fringes of the burbs, if I shot at a rabbit with a rifle, there&#8217;s still enough houses nearby to make insuring a safe shot not a safe proposition.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/05/03/answer-organizer-assaulted-by-minutemen-member/comment-page-1/#comment-134647</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 02:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you know us rural folk: we love AK's on the streets.  If we only had streets!  

(Orson Scott Card's "Empire" gives a fictional but intriguing account of the potential of the U.S. urban/rural conflict to spin out of control.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know us rural folk: we love AK&#8217;s on the streets.  If we only had streets!  </p>
<p>(Orson Scott Card&#8217;s &#8220;Empire&#8221; gives a fictional but intriguing account of the potential of the U.S. urban/rural conflict to spin out of control.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/05/03/answer-organizer-assaulted-by-minutemen-member/comment-page-1/#comment-134624</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news article I linked to said he was arrested in DC by the FBI and his apartment was in DC. I would suspect DC, like most big cities, has strict gun control.

This is, I think, the same urban/rural debate that John Dean mentioned once. To someone in the country, gun control means you want to take away my rifles, to an urban dweller it means, we don't want AK's on the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news article I linked to said he was arrested in DC by the FBI and his apartment was in DC. I would suspect DC, like most big cities, has strict gun control.</p>
<p>This is, I think, the same urban/rural debate that John Dean mentioned once. To someone in the country, gun control means you want to take away my rifles, to an urban dweller it means, we don&#8217;t want AK&#8217;s on the street.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/05/03/answer-organizer-assaulted-by-minutemen-member/comment-page-1/#comment-134610</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't debate that he was a racist thug, and I don't support the Minutemen or what they stand for.  But while I don't like the idea of racist thugs having weapons-- for that matter I don't like the idea of racist thugs existing-- fortunately the sale of weapons (and the right to exist) is not decided by what one believes, else the Bushies would have all the guns and that could be very bad news indeed.

On a more serious note, the article (which I do understand you are not the author of) doesn't appear to specify where the apartment was located or what the local laws may or may not have prohibited.  Bows and arrows and machetes, for example, are sold over the counter in many states.  This suggests that the weapons were mentioned not because they were illegal, but to elicit fear in the reader.

You wrote, "That some could have such weapons and not be racist thugs of course doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t mean a Minutemen member isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t."  Let us not forget (as the media does far too often) that the reverse of what you said is also true: That some could have such weapons and be racist thugs doesn't mean the vast majority are.  It's too easy to fall into rural/urban sterotypes, which only serves to promote extremism on both sides (which the Minutemen are doing quite well already).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t debate that he was a racist thug, and I don&#8217;t support the Minutemen or what they stand for.  But while I don&#8217;t like the idea of racist thugs having weapons&#8211; for that matter I don&#8217;t like the idea of racist thugs existing&#8211; fortunately the sale of weapons (and the right to exist) is not decided by what one believes, else the Bushies would have all the guns and that could be very bad news indeed.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, the article (which I do understand you are not the author of) doesn&#8217;t appear to specify where the apartment was located or what the local laws may or may not have prohibited.  Bows and arrows and machetes, for example, are sold over the counter in many states.  This suggests that the weapons were mentioned not because they were illegal, but to elicit fear in the reader.</p>
<p>You wrote, &#8220;That some could have such weapons and not be racist thugs of course doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t mean a Minutemen member isnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t.&#8221;  Let us not forget (as the media does far too often) that the reverse of what you said is also true: That some could have such weapons and be racist thugs doesn&#8217;t mean the vast majority are.  It&#8217;s too easy to fall into rural/urban sterotypes, which only serves to promote extremism on both sides (which the Minutemen are doing quite well already).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Morris</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/05/03/answer-organizer-assaulted-by-minutemen-member/comment-page-1/#comment-134588</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was a DC resident arrested on federal land. Carrying a 12 inch knife is almost certainly illegal. As is possessing much of what he had in his DC apartment, no doubt.

That some could have such weapons and not be racist thugs of course doesn't mean a Minutemen member isn't.

And since it happened on federal land, these are federal charges. That's why FBI is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was a DC resident arrested on federal land. Carrying a 12 inch knife is almost certainly illegal. As is possessing much of what he had in his DC apartment, no doubt.</p>
<p>That some could have such weapons and not be racist thugs of course doesn&#8217;t mean a Minutemen member isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And since it happened on federal land, these are federal charges. That&#8217;s why FBI is involved.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://polizeros.com/2007/05/03/answer-organizer-assaulted-by-minutemen-member/comment-page-1/#comment-134561</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In a subsequent search of his vehicle and apartment, police found what is reported to be a large arsenal of rifles, handguns, ammunition, swords, bows, arrows, machetes, a grenade and grenade launcher."

I find it interesting (and a bit disturbing) that these items are considered indicative of criminal intent.  In my state, everything on the list except the grenade is perfectly legal, unless used in an unlawful manner.  An SKS rifle (which, incidentally, is classified as a "curio or relic" by ATF) comes with a grenade launcher attached to the muzzle that is difficult to remove; the grenades, of course, are classified somewhat differently and are not available to the typical gun owner and the launcher serves no purpose without them.

In a democratic society, we don't get to punish people until they actually commit a crime.  The man assaulted your friend and has been arrested and should be punished.  Throwing in the "large arsenal" (Compared to what?) sounds dramatic, but it confuses one issue (the crime of assault) with another (the gun rights issue).  They have little if anything to do with each other; while some racists and some criminals are also gun enthusiasts, not all gun enthusiasts are racists and/or criminals.  Some of my liberal friends here in Utah (yes, there are a handful of liberals here) have substantial "arsenals"-- but not for criminal or racist reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a subsequent search of his vehicle and apartment, police found what is reported to be a large arsenal of rifles, handguns, ammunition, swords, bows, arrows, machetes, a grenade and grenade launcher.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find it interesting (and a bit disturbing) that these items are considered indicative of criminal intent.  In my state, everything on the list except the grenade is perfectly legal, unless used in an unlawful manner.  An SKS rifle (which, incidentally, is classified as a &#8220;curio or relic&#8221; by ATF) comes with a grenade launcher attached to the muzzle that is difficult to remove; the grenades, of course, are classified somewhat differently and are not available to the typical gun owner and the launcher serves no purpose without them.</p>
<p>In a democratic society, we don&#8217;t get to punish people until they actually commit a crime.  The man assaulted your friend and has been arrested and should be punished.  Throwing in the &#8220;large arsenal&#8221; (Compared to what?) sounds dramatic, but it confuses one issue (the crime of assault) with another (the gun rights issue).  They have little if anything to do with each other; while some racists and some criminals are also gun enthusiasts, not all gun enthusiasts are racists and/or criminals.  Some of my liberal friends here in Utah (yes, there are a handful of liberals here) have substantial &#8220;arsenals&#8221;&#8211; but not for criminal or racist reasons.</p>
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