Comments on: Netroots: Jerome Armstrong and astrology http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/ Musings on politics: anti-war, global warming, peak oil and otherwise Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:56:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Astrological Readings http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-154544 Astrological Readings Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:22:12 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-154544 Before posting this on Polizeros, I read several posts, followed all their links, then Googled “Jerome Armstrong astrologer” and read more. I’m satisfied it’s not a hoax. Among other things, as pointed out above, Wikipedia lists him as an astrologer. Before posting this on Polizeros, I read several posts, followed all their links, then Googled “Jerome Armstrong astrologer” and read more.

I’m satisfied it’s not a hoax. Among other things, as pointed out above, Wikipedia lists him as an astrologer.

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By: Nona Urbiz http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7477 Nona Urbiz Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:42:58 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7477 Astrology is one of the best pseudo-sciences around! Astronomists are engaging in a discussion of what constitutes a planet. If something as small as Pluto counts (and modern astrology has had to re-work the assumptions of ancient astrology which knew of far fewer planets), then other objects recently discovered in the solar system may also qualify as planets. Which would require astrologists once again to re-calculate the effect of the planets on human personality. Meanwhile, having been ex-communicated by astrology for disbelief and having my sign taken away, I've had to live my life solely according to free will. Its been tough, but I prefer it be being controlled by rocks and collections of gases orbiting the sun. Astrology is one of the best pseudo-sciences around!

Astronomists are engaging in a discussion of what constitutes a planet. If something as small as Pluto counts (and modern astrology has had to re-work the assumptions of ancient astrology which knew of far fewer planets), then other objects recently discovered in the solar system may also qualify as planets. Which would require astrologists once again to re-calculate the effect of the planets on human personality.

Meanwhile, having been ex-communicated by astrology for disbelief and having my sign taken away, I’ve had to live my life solely according to free will. Its been tough, but I prefer it be being controlled by rocks and collections of gases orbiting the sun.

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By: The Commissar http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7330 The Commissar Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:14:33 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7330 Sheesh. Joe Hartley is in serious denial mode. How about this from MYDD (yesterday): "Another Update [2006-6-25 14:13:39 by Jerome Armstrong]: Oh yea, on the astrological stuff. I have done the new age type things over the years—life’s never boring that way. Down that line, I dabbled with planets and predictions in the most abstract manner, as one of several different predictive mathematical disciplines, when coming out of finances and into politics during my early blogging days (nobody is surprised that remembers the early 2001 days here), and since then have completely tapered out of it over time. So yea, the cons got me on this one being a little out of the ordinary… It has nothing to do with what I consult with in online political strategy. But hey, like JP Morgan once said, “millionaires don’t use astrology, billionaires do!” I hope to see those wingnuts that are obsessed with every little thing I do at the next bikram yoga or vipassana meditation session in DC-- but fair warning that I believe we evolved from monkeys!" No ... wait ... Karl Rove has hacked into MYDD and posted this pretending to be Jerome Armstrong. Sheesh. Joe Hartley is in serious denial mode.

How about this from MYDD (yesterday):

“Another Update [2006-6-25 14:13:39 by Jerome Armstrong]: Oh yea, on the astrological stuff. I have done the new age type things over the years—life’s never boring that way. Down that line, I dabbled with planets and predictions in the most abstract manner, as one of several different predictive mathematical disciplines, when coming out of finances and into politics during my early blogging days (nobody is surprised that remembers the early 2001 days here), and since then have completely tapered out of it over time. So yea, the cons got me on this one being a little out of the ordinary… It has nothing to do with what I consult with in online political strategy. But hey, like JP Morgan once said, “millionaires don’t use astrology, billionaires do!” I hope to see those wingnuts that are obsessed with every little thing I do at the next bikram yoga or vipassana meditation session in DC– but fair warning that I believe we evolved from monkeys!”

No … wait … Karl Rove has hacked into MYDD and posted this pretending to be Jerome Armstrong.

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By: politus http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7304 politus Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:20:02 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7304 Great post, Bob. I'm covering the same angle at my blog. Great post, Bob. I’m covering the same angle at my blog.

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By: Joe Hartley http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7159 Joe Hartley Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:47:25 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7159 The 2003 article may well be by a well-known astrologer, but there's nothing to suggest that the Jerome Armstrong mentioned in that article is the same Jerome Armstrong of MyDD.com. The fact that Wikipedia picked it up (which is what I bet happened, since the article was written less than a year ago by some programmer who probably Googled Jerome Armstrong) simply shows the weakness of using the Web as a primary source as though it were as thoroughly vetted as an encylopedia. All that tells me is that using the Web as a primary resources without being very, VERY cautious is dangerous and can lead you down the wrong path, all of which should be news of the last decade. I'm still looking for the smoke, much less the fire. The citation is a right-wing blog that has already alterned the cover of Armstrong's book (probably infringing the copyright, but who knows these days). There's also a Jerome Armstrong listed under IMDB as the screenwriter for "Volcano." Same guy? Beat me; there's no way of knowing short of further investigation. Googling "Jerome Armstrong" gives half a million hits. Bet they aren't all the same guy! You're evidence is thin at best. If I were allocating money to investigate further, I'd want something a whole lot more substantial than a coincidental name identity, a Wikipedia article, and a right-wing joke. If the other questions are that much more serious--maybe they are; maybe they aren't; at the time Armstrong is alleged to have touted stocks I knew plenty of people on the left who were saying the market would boom forever, that EnRon had discovered a new energy model, etc. for me to be really judgmental about people who look foolish in retrospect--why even bring it up? The 2003 article may well be by a well-known astrologer, but there’s nothing to suggest that the Jerome Armstrong mentioned in that article is the same Jerome Armstrong of MyDD.com. The fact that Wikipedia picked it up (which is what I bet happened, since the article was written less than a year ago by some programmer who probably Googled Jerome Armstrong) simply shows the weakness of using the Web as a primary source as though it were as thoroughly vetted as an encylopedia. All that tells me is that using the Web as a primary resources without being very, VERY cautious is dangerous and can lead you down the wrong path, all of which should be news of the last decade.

I’m still looking for the smoke, much less the fire. The citation is a right-wing blog that has already alterned the cover of Armstrong’s book (probably infringing the copyright, but who knows these days). There’s also a Jerome Armstrong listed under IMDB as the screenwriter for “Volcano.” Same guy? Beat me; there’s no way of knowing short of further investigation. Googling “Jerome Armstrong” gives half a million hits. Bet they aren’t all the same guy! You’re evidence is thin at best. If I were allocating money to investigate further, I’d want something a whole lot more substantial than a coincidental name identity, a Wikipedia article, and a right-wing joke.

If the other questions are that much more serious–maybe they are; maybe they aren’t; at the time Armstrong is alleged to have touted stocks I knew plenty of people on the left who were saying the market would boom forever, that EnRon had discovered a new energy model, etc. for me to be really judgmental about people who look foolish in retrospect–why even bring it up?

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By: Bob http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7158 Bob Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:08:02 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7158 The articles on astro are from 2003 by an apparently well-known astrologer with a large site and hundreds of articles. You're right, the link isn't a redirect, my error. If you're saying this one article was hacked by the Right, that Wikipedia, as well as other ancedotal evidence has to be wrong, I say there'e enough smoke that looking for the fire is warranted. The posts, via Rogers Cadenhead, address much more serious questions, and he's not right-wing, more of a liberal, and started the Drudge ReTort. The articles on astro are from 2003 by an apparently well-known astrologer with a large site and hundreds of articles.

You’re right, the link isn’t a redirect, my error. If you’re saying this one article was hacked by the Right, that Wikipedia, as well as other ancedotal evidence has to be wrong, I say there’e enough smoke that looking for the fire is warranted.

The posts, via Rogers Cadenhead, address much more serious questions, and he’s not right-wing, more of a liberal, and started the Drudge ReTort.

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By: Eli Stephens http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7153 Eli Stephens Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:57:39 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7153 As for <i>this</i> claim by "The Commissar": "You may check my site, where an astrologer identifies him as “Jerome Armstrong of Portland,” which IS our Jerome’s hometown." -- are you kidding me? "An astrologer"? Who? This doesn't pass the laugh test as serious proof. And who is "The Commissar" anyway? The website is replete with references to "Lefties." That hardly gives him or her credibility in my eyes; as far as I can see this is a right-wing site obsessed with Kos. As for this claim by “The Commissar”: “You may check my site, where an astrologer identifies him as “Jerome Armstrong of Portland,” which IS our Jerome’s hometown.” — are you kidding me? “An astrologer”? Who? This doesn’t pass the laugh test as serious proof. And who is “The Commissar” anyway? The website is replete with references to “Lefties.” That hardly gives him or her credibility in my eyes; as far as I can see this is a right-wing site obsessed with Kos.

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By: Eli Stephens http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7152 Eli Stephens Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:52:14 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7152 I can't believe people are citing Wikipedia as a source. Wikipedia <i>is</i> a useful source of information in general. But in the case of exposing a hoax, if that's what this is, it's useless. Who created the Wikipedia entry? For all we know it was the same right-wing blogger who is perpetrating the hoax. On the subject of urls, http://astroworld.mydd.com takes you to http://mydd.com. That proves <i>absolutely nothing</i>. Try typing "http://politicsinthezeros.mydd.com" or "http://imafraud.mydd.com" or anything else. It <i>all</i> goes to mydd.com itself, because the server is set up to capture *.mydd.com as simply mydd.com. I still haven't seen any serious proof of this claim. I can’t believe people are citing Wikipedia as a source. Wikipedia is a useful source of information in general. But in the case of exposing a hoax, if that’s what this is, it’s useless. Who created the Wikipedia entry? For all we know it was the same right-wing blogger who is perpetrating the hoax.

On the subject of urls, http://astroworld.mydd.com takes you to http://mydd.com. That proves absolutely nothing. Try typing “http://politicsinthezeros.mydd.com” or “http://imafraud.mydd.com” or anything else. It all goes to mydd.com itself, because the server is set up to capture *.mydd.com as simply mydd.com.

I still haven’t seen any serious proof of this claim.

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By: Joe Hartley http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7144 Joe Hartley Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:50:57 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7144 No, it is NOT a redirect on the mydd.com server that's doing it from the astrology article. The astrology articles gives the address astroworld.mydd.org, but if you look at its html code or put your cursor over the link, the link is actually www.astro.com, which as far as I can tell is completely unrelated to mydd.com. Aside from some astrologer writing in 2003 about somebody named Jerome Alexander who's an astrologer, any other independent source for the attribution? The web can be very handy, but it can also be extremely misleading. No, it is NOT a redirect on the mydd.com server that’s doing it from the astrology article. The astrology articles gives the address astroworld.mydd.org, but if you look at its html code or put your cursor over the link, the link is actually http://www.astro.com, which as far as I can tell is completely unrelated to mydd.com.

Aside from some astrologer writing in 2003 about somebody named Jerome Alexander who’s an astrologer, any other independent source for the attribution? The web can be very handy, but it can also be extremely misleading.

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By: Bob http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7143 Bob Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:26:45 +0000 http://polizeros.com/2006/06/24/netroots-jerome-armstrong-and-astrology/#comment-7143 Here's an example of a redirect, from a site I created. type paparianforcongress.com and you will go to paparian4congress.com There's a redirect on the first site sending people to the second site. Here’s an example of a redirect, from a site I created.

type paparianforcongress.com

and you will go to

paparian4congress.com

There’s a redirect on the first site sending people to the second site.

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